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Administrative costs are out of control. Over 30% of our healthcare costs, TOTAL, go to dealing with administrative red tape. Unacceptable.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8800.php
--short version, if we cut our administrative costs to only Canadian levels (and their system is far from the best), we save enough annually to provide health care to the uninsured with a single payer system. That's JUST the administrative costs.
http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml
--50% of all bankruptcies in America are due at least partly to medical costs. HALF. 68% of that 50% HAD HEALTH INSURANCE.
About 1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs. (and this was before the crash)
--The United States spends six times more per capita on the administration of the health care system than its peer Western European nations.
I could go on. I could quote numerous articles and studies on the subject. I can do this because they all say the same thing-> Our system is broken. It's in full death spiral, as a matter of fact. As health insurance costs rise, the numbers of the uninsured grow. As there are more uninsured, the buffer for insurance companies to make a profit and uphold their responsibilities lessens as healthy people leave the system. Then, naturally, when some of those people DO get sick they have to have medical care. It cannot be denied, and everyone, once again, eats the cost. It's an obviously broken system that is totally out of control.
Who does it better than us? Every first world nation in the world. Every. Single. One.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/15/1198
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States
Now, I'm aware that people don't want to pay taxes. That's why California is broke although it's one of our richest states and bridges are falling down around our ears. The people are generally too shortsighted to see the necessity of taxes. Recall, again, the first article about how much America plans to save just by making the system somewhere in the ballpark of rational. Think of the lowered costs to the system of NOT having to eat uninsured emergency room visits. Think of that 50% of bankruptcies that DON'T have to occur. Imagine the beneficial economic impact of that.
So please, before you spout off about taxes and spending, actually look at the information that's available. Think clearly about whether or not we as a nation can afford to be sucked dry by this system. Is the new system going to be perfect? No. Is it going to be a damn sight better than what we're dealing with now? If logic and observance of other nations has any hold at all, then the only conclusion is of course it will be.
Do you really hold so little faith in your fellow Americans, indeed in yourselves, that every other comparable nation in the world can accomplish something that we can't? Is your fear of change that strong?
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Ted, there you go again...
You miss the point that the dems are trying to Socialize our country and ruin our economy. If we are forced to pay for some democrat Obamacare then they win! We can't let that happen to Our Free Country!
The most important thing is to keep them from passing this Obamanation and hope we can elect enough non-RINOs to protect the Constitution!
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Malcom Reynolds (10/22/2009)
Ted, there you go again...
You miss the point that the dems are trying to Socialize our country and ruin our economy. If we are forced to pay for some democrat Obamacare then they win! We can't let that happen to Our Free Country!
The most important thing is to keep them from passing this Obamanation and hope we can elect enough non-RINOs to protect the Constitution!
So let me see if I get your point.
It doesn't matter how bad the system is. The important thing is that we don't let "them" win. We must avoid anything a talking head would call "socialism" regardless of whether or not the system would be better, simply for the sake of it.
That about right?
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better Red than dead, baby. Once the dominoes start creeping toward Comunist you can't make them stop. How can we undo Welfare or Socialist inSecurity once it is in place? Tell me that? It just grows and grows and will take over everything for our kids to pay for!
Are you just here to argue? This IS GOP.com? Privatised health care is good enough and I don't even need insurance. just pay cash or barter. All this talk about how much we Need and Need to "fix" what ain't broke...
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Malcom Reynolds (10/22/2009)
better Red than dead, baby. Once the dominoes start creeping toward Comunist you can't make them stop. How can we undo Welfare or Socialist inSecurity once it is in place? Tell me that? It just grows and grows and will take over everything for our kids to pay for!
Are you just here to argue? This IS GOP.com? Privatised health care is good enough and I don't even need insurance. just pay cash or barter. All this talk about how much we Need and Need to "fix" what ain't broke...
I just wanted to drop out all the buzzwords from your argument so you can see how silly it really is. Apparently, you are far beyond the threshold where that is helpful for you. However, I hope that it is not for more rational people who might happen to have your same initial views.
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Malcom Reynolds (10/22/2009)
Are you just here to argue? This IS GOP.com? Privatised health care is good enough and I don't even need insurance. just pay cash or barter. All this talk about how much we Need and Need to "fix" what ain't broke...
You realize what you advocate leads to the deaths of several thousand people every year, right?
I mean I guess it's a good position if you've got a real passion for making sure any serious disease financially devastates anyone who's not a multi-millionaire and those with pre-existing conditions die in the street.
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Well, Johnny, as you said yesterday:
if the Democrats manage to get a working UHC system going they will be in power for the next 20 years at least. I honestly don't know why they didn't do something about it for the last eight years. Whichever party gets a functioning UHC system working first essentially has the loyalty of every American who's ever been screwed over by the current system or knows someone who has (most everyone.)
and since you say:
I find Al Jazeera, and to a lesser extent the BBC to be pretty objective. NPR's pretty good, too...
I kind of assume you want nothing better than for the dems to win.
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--short version, if we cut our administrative costs to only Canadian levels (and their system is far from the best), we save enough annually to provide health care to the uninsured with a single payer system.
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Do you really hold so little faith in your fellow Americans, indeed in yourselves, that every other comparable nation in the world can accomplish something that we can't? Is your fear of change that strong?
You lost me when you said single-payer system. That's just... NOT the direction we need to go. Are you kidding me?
Look, your point there at the end doesn't have any merit. People like free and/or cheaper things, of course. Understand this: We can't afford anything like that. Even if we could, it would just escalate in price further and further. This government seems to think that it has buckets of money to play with that doesn't hurt our economy... come on.
Don't you think that it would be better to check out each area of waste in the system and chip away at things?
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Malcom Reynolds (10/22/2009)
I kind of assume you want nothing better than for the dems to win.
Well - on this issue - yeah. More specifically I would like a public option but not a mandate. Not having universal health care is both an economic liability and a moral failure.
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Johnathon Aetaduesh (10/23/2009)
Malcom Reynolds (10/22/2009)
I kind of assume you want nothing better than for the dems to win.
Well - on this issue - yeah. More specifically I would like a public option but not a mandate. Not having universal health care is both an economic liability and a moral failure.
Right. And you don't like the flat tax and called the fair tax a "hilariously bad idea." You did have one big idea for building the party:
Have delicious refreshments at every single meeting. Refreshments are the key to building a strong member base.
I think you may be in the wrong forum. This is kind of stuff I have seen over at: http://www.barackobama.com/
Either that or you're just a Troll.
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